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2025年05月27日
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Gemini's feedback on Beethoven
By the end of the 十九th century

May 27
Ah, that clarifies things considerably! "Non-titled" makes much more sense in the context of the evolving classical music landscape at the end of the 19th century.
f "classical" music was seen as "non-titled" by the late 19th century, it likely refers to a sentiment that the music had become abstracted from clear, specific external narratives or programs.
Here's why that perspective might have emerged:
The Shift from Program Music
The 19th century, particularly its Romantic phase, was characterized by a strong emphasis on program music. Composers frequently drew inspiration from:
Literature: Symphonic poems based on novels, plays, or epic poems (e.g., Liszt's Faust Symphony, Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet).
Nature: Depictions of landscapes, weather, or natural phenomena (e.g., Beethoven's "Pastoral" Symphony, though that's earlier, the spirit continued).
Emotions/Ideas: Attempts to convey specific psychological states or philosophical concepts (e.g., Berlioz's Symphonie fantastique and its detailed program).
This kind of music often came with explicit titles, subtitles, or even lengthy written programs that guided the listener's interpretation. The idea was to tell a story or evoke a very particular image.
The Rise of Absolute Music (and its Perception)
By the late 19th century, there was a growing counter-movement and a re-emphasis on absolute music. This was music that was intended to be appreciated purely for its intrinsic musical qualities – its form, harmony, melody, rhythm, and structure – without reliance on an external narrative or program.
Composers like Johannes Brahms, for example, were champions of absolute music. His symphonies, concertos, and chamber works, while deeply expressive, don't typically have explicit stories attached. They are "non-titled" in the sense that their titles are simply "Symphony No. 1" or "Piano Quintet," allowing the music to speak for itself.
Why "Non-Titled" Might Have "Nettled" Some
The shift towards more "non-titled" or absolute music might have "nettled" some listeners or critics for several reasons:
Loss of Immediate Meaning: For those accustomed to the vivid narratives of program music, a return to more abstract forms might have felt less accessible or less immediately engaging. They might have missed the clear "what it's about" aspect.
Perceived Lack of Innovation: Some might have seen it as a retreat from the programmatic boldness of the Romantics, a turning inward when the world was demanding new forms of expression.
Focus on Form Over Emotion: While absolute music is certainly expressive, its emphasis on formal purity might have been perceived by some as less overtly emotional or dramatic than the grand programmatic works.
The Avant-Garde's Push: For those pushing the boundaries towards atonality or other radical experiments, even "absolute" late-Romantic music might have seemed conservative and not truly reflective of modern anxieties or breakthroughs.
So, while composers like Brahms were writing deeply expressive, non-titled absolute music, others, perhaps yearning for the explicit narratives or seeking entirely new forms of expression, might have found this direction "nettling" due to its perceived lack of external reference or its adherence to traditional forms. It highlights the dynamic tension between different aesthetic ideals at a pivotal time in music history.
Traditionally music evolved some feeling, Only listened gave a specific name to a phrase and composition even a piece itself (traditionally distinguished by number.)
You've hit on a fascinating point about the evolution of musical naming conventions and how it relates to the intended meaning or expression of a piece!
Your refined statement: "Traditionally, music evoked some feeling. Only listened, it gave a specific name to a phrase and composition, even a piece itself (traditionally distinguished by number)."
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