2008 BBWAA Hall of Fame Ballot
December 3, 2007 by Michael Hoban · 7 Comments
The NEWS HOF Gauge (based on Win Shares) has set performance standards for players and pitchers in order to determine whether they have the numbers to be considered serious candidates for the Hall of Fame.These are tough standards as is evidenced by the fact that only 93 position players and 49 pitchers (who played during the 20 th
century) have
Five of these 142 players are on the 2008 BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot.Three are pitchers and two are position players.Here are the five players.
The Pitchers
1. Bert Blyleven
Only 35 starting pitchers in the 20 th
century achieved a NEWS score of 235 (considered to be obvious
2. Goose Gossage
Only five pitchers in the 20 th
century achieved a NEWS score of 180 in fewer than 2400 innings pitched.Four of them are already in the Hall: Addie Joss, Sandy Koufax, Dizzy Dean and Hoyt Wilhelm.Goose Gossage is the fifth.He has
3. Lee Smith
According to the NEWS Gauge, only five “pure relievers†have
Jack Morris got 37.1% of the vote in the 2007 election.But Morris does not have
Player | NEWS |
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Kevin Brown | 205 |
Jim Kaat | 203 |
Mike Mussina | 202 |
Tommy John | 196 |
Jerry Koosman | 196 |
Rick Reuschel | 196 |
Mickey Lolich | 190 |
Jack Morris | 185 |
You can see from this list that Tommy John who is also on the 2008 ballot does not have
No other pitcher on the 2008 BBWAA ballot is anywhere close to Hall of Fame numbers.
There are two position players on the 2008 ballot who have Hall of Fame numbers.
1. Tim Raines
This is the first year on the ballot for Tim Raines.And it is probably fair to say that he is one of the least appreciated great players of the 20 th
century.The NEWS Gauge has him ranked as the #48 best position player of the century.Look at the four players ranked just above him and just below him.That is good company to keep.(The number to the right is the NEWS score.A score of 280 is considered obvious
Player | NEWS | |
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44.
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Paul Molitor | 306 |
45.
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Fred Clarke | 305 |
46.
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Duke Snider | 305 |
47.
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Ken Griffey Jr. | 304 |
48.
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Tim Raines | 304 |
49.
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Harmon Killebrew | 303 |
50.
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Billy Williams | 303 |
51.
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Roberto Alomar | 302 |
52.
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Luke Appling | 301 |
Tim Raines has obvious Hall of Fame numbers.Let’s hope that the voters see it that way.
2. Mark McGwire
Mark McGwire is the only other position player on the 2008 ballot who has obvious
What about the other position players on the 2008 ballot?There are eight position players who got enough votes in 2007 to remain on the ballot.Unfortunately, none of them has
Player | NEWS |
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Dave Parker | 268 |
Andre Dawson | 261 |
Allan Trammell | 258 |
Don Mattingly | 247 |
Dale Murphy | 245 |
Jim Rice | 245 |
Harold Baines | 224 |
Dave Concepcion | 221 |
Jim Rice got 63.5% of the votes in 2007, Andre Dawson – 56.7%, Dave Concepcion – 13.6%, Alan Trammell – 13.4%, Dave Parker – 11.4%, Don Mattingly – 9.9%, Dale Murphy – 9.2% and Harold Baines – 5.3%.As you can see above, Dave Parker has the best career numbers of the group according to the NEWS Gauge.
Only Rice and Dawson appear to have any chance of being elected to the Hall at some point from this group.If either is elected, it appears that one more player who does not have the numbers will be in the Hall of Fame.Of course, there may be some other justification in the minds of the voters (besides the numbers) for one or the other of these players to be honored.
None of the other position players who are new to the ballot this year has
In summary, only five of the twenty-five players on the 2008 BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot have true
For more info on the NEWS HOF Gauge, please see BASEBALL’S BEST: The TRUE Hall of Famers on this site.
Mike,
I’ve always felt that Dwight Evans has been greatly disrespected by the HOF voters, especially in light of the fact that Jim Rice has gotten close to election a few times, while Evans barely registers a blip on the radar. I’m not convinced that either Evans or Rice is a legitimate Hall of Famer, but I would think that Evans would get more votes than he has, considering he was one of the best defensive outfielders of his era and his OPS+ of 127 is only one point lower than Rice’s 128.
Out of curiosity what is Evans’ NEWS score and where does he rank among position players?
The NEWS HOF Gauge considers a score of 280 to represent obvious HOF numbers for a position player. Neither Dwight Evans nor Jim Rice achieved this score. Check out these numbers.
Dwight Evans 347 234 262Jim Rice 282 233 245
The first number is the career win shares. Evans had considerably more than Rice. The second number is their core value (the win shares earned in their ten best seasons). Note how close these are – indicating that each player’s value to his team during their ten best seasons was quite similar. The third number is the NEWS score – suggesting that Evans had a better career than Rice. Dwight Evans is the #121 best position player of the cemtury.
For comparison, look at Darrell Evans’ numbers. Note how much better his core value is (253) than Dwight (234) or Rice (233).
Darrell Evans 363 253 281
Darrell is one of the 84 position players with a NEWS score of 280 or better – obvious HOF numbers.
Where’s Dick Allen? Is he a pariah because of his personality? Wouldn’t Ty Cobb have failed on those grounds?
Cary,
The answer seems to be Yes to both of your questions. That is, the only reason that I know of why Dick Allen is not in the Hall of Fame is because many sportswriters (and many fans) consider him to be “unworthy” for reasons that have nothing to do with his on-field performance. And, yes, Ty Cobb would almost certainly have failed on the same grounds.
With a NEWS score of 314, Dick Allen is the #36 best position player of the 20th century. That score ties him with Eddie Murray, Cal Ripken, Jr and Robin Yount. Not bad, eh? He should have been in the Hall of Fame years ago!
An amazing Bert Blyleven statistic that I wouldn’t wish upon any major league pitcher:From his 1970 rookie season through 1977 I’ve accumulated his quality starts that I’ve defined as: 6innings, 2earned runs or less; 7,8,9innings, 3earned runs or less; and 9innings+ 4 earned runs or less in which he garnered a no decision or a loss only……
The totals are:
82 games
658 innings
583 hits
185 runs
160 earned runs
184 base on balls
540 strikeouts
2.19 ERA
His record: 0 wins and 53 LOSSES. I repeat 0 wins and 53 losses with a 2.19 ERA
1970 0-3 2.09 9 games
1971 0-6 1.90 9 games
1972 0-9 2.35 13 games
1973 0-8 2.55 9 games
1974 0-8 1.80 10 games
1975 0-6 2.00 10 games
1976 0-8 2.29 15 games
1977 0-5 2.45 7 games
I understand that pitchers put up great games and get snakebit on occasion, but this accounted for almost 1 of every 3 starts, 82 of 279 to be exact or 29%. Show me a Hall of Famer that had to go through this year by year. Fortunately once Blyleven ended up in Pittsburgh and later some good Minnesota teams, this trend eased to what I would consider normal levels (I had researched this in the past but don’t have the numbers on hand)
Imagine 1974, your 17-9 in 27 games, and in the other 10, all of which are essentially quality starts, you post a 1.80ERA and go 0-8. You end up 17-17. If you don’t know the facts, and your voting for the Cy Young award, and you see 17-17. Do you cast a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place vote? Probably not. This is what Blyleven faced in yesteryear, and the same writers, who I contend do not know the facts, are what Blyleven faces every year in the HOF vote.
Go ahead, plug in a different year, or harken back to Baseball-reference and neutralize the stats, do it for every one of Blyleven’s contemporaries. The numbers don’t change much, but for Bert Blyleven, they do. The example given above is my attempt to show why. Teams that didn’t score runs and booted the ball around like it was a soccer match.
Bill,
Thnaks for the insight. You’re right – I would not wish those numbers on any pitcher.
Just more proof as to how deserving Bert Blyleven is of the Hall of Fame. We can only hope that some more writers are getting the message and will vote for him.
Gossage gets in (he should have been in long ago) and Blyleven gets screwed again. What are these idiots looking at?