2008 BBWAA Hall of Fame Ballot

December 3, 2007 by · 7 Comments

The NEWS HOF Gauge (based on Win Shares) has set performance standards for players and pitchers in order to determine whether they have the numbers to be considered serious candidates for the Hall of Fame.These are tough standards as is evidenced by the fact that only 93 position players and 49 pitchers (who played during the 20 th century) have HOF numbers according to the NEWS Gauge.

Five of these 142 players are on the 2008 BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot.Three are pitchers and two are position players.Here are the five players.

The Pitchers

1. Bert Blyleven

Only 35 starting pitchers in the 20 th century achieved a NEWS score of 235 (considered to be obvious HOF numbers).Bert Blyleven is one of those pitchers.In fact, he is the #24 best starting pitcher of the century.Every other pitcher ahead of him on the list is in the Hall of Fame with the exception of the three active pitchers: Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson.Why he is not already in the Hall is a mystery.He got 47.7% of the vote in 2007 so he has a shot this time.

2. Goose Gossage

Only five pitchers in the 20 th century achieved a NEWS score of 180 in fewer than 2400 innings pitched.Four of them are already in the Hall: Addie Joss, Sandy Koufax, Dizzy Dean and Hoyt Wilhelm.Goose Gossage is the fifth.He has HOF numbers and, hopefully, he will be elected this year since he got 71.2% of the vote in 2007.

3. Lee Smith

According to the NEWS Gauge, only five “pure relievers” have HOF numbers.That is, they have a NEWS score of 150 with fewer than 1700 innings pitched.Here are those five pitchers in order of ranking: Mariano Rivera, Lee Smith, Bruce Sutter, Dan Quisenberry and Rollie Fingers.Sutter and Fingers are in the Hall and Rivera is still active.Only Quisenberry has been completely passed over by the voters.Lee Smith has HOF numbers.He got 39.8% of the vote in 2007.Let’s hope that he will get a much higher percentage this time around.

Jack Morris got 37.1% of the vote in the 2007 election.But Morris does not have HOF numbers – not even close.His NEWS score is 185.Here is a list of some other starting pitchers who do not have HOF numbers but rank ahead of Morris.(A NEWS score of 235 is considered to represent obvious HOF numbers for a starting pitcher.)

Player NEWS
Kevin Brown 205
Jim Kaat 203
Mike Mussina 202
Tommy John 196
Jerry Koosman 196
Rick Reuschel 196
Mickey Lolich 190
Jack Morris 185

You can see from this list that Tommy John who is also on the 2008 ballot does not have HOF numbers either.He got 22.8% of the vote in 2007 – somewhat less than Jack Morris.

No other pitcher on the 2008 BBWAA ballot is anywhere close to Hall of Fame numbers.


The Position Players

There are two position players on the 2008 ballot who have Hall of Fame numbers.

1. Tim Raines

This is the first year on the ballot for Tim Raines.And it is probably fair to say that he is one of the least appreciated great players of the 20 th century.The NEWS Gauge has him ranked as the #48 best position player of the century.Look at the four players ranked just above him and just below him.That is good company to keep.(The number to the right is the NEWS score.A score of 280 is considered obvious HOF numbers for a position player.)

Player NEWS
44.
Paul Molitor 306
45.
Fred Clarke 305
46.
Duke Snider 305
47.
Ken Griffey Jr. 304
48.
Tim Raines 304
49.
Harmon Killebrew 303
50.
Billy Williams 303
51.
Roberto Alomar 302
52.
Luke Appling 301

Tim Raines has obvious Hall of Fame numbers.Let’s hope that the voters see it that way.

2. Mark McGwire

Mark McGwire is the only other position player on the 2008 ballot who has obvious HOF numbers.He has a NEWS score of 298 and is the #56 best position player of the century.However, the steroids question evidently cost him last year when he got only 23.5% of the votes.Will he do better this year?Who knows?

What about the other position players on the 2008 ballot?There are eight position players who got enough votes in 2007 to remain on the ballot.Unfortunately, none of them has HOF numbers according to the NEWS Gauge.Here are their NEWS scores.

Player NEWS
Dave Parker 268
Andre Dawson 261
Allan Trammell 258
Don Mattingly 247
Dale Murphy 245
Jim Rice 245
Harold Baines 224
Dave Concepcion 221

Jim Rice got 63.5% of the votes in 2007, Andre Dawson – 56.7%, Dave Concepcion – 13.6%, Alan Trammell – 13.4%, Dave Parker – 11.4%, Don Mattingly – 9.9%, Dale Murphy – 9.2% and Harold Baines – 5.3%.As you can see above, Dave Parker has the best career numbers of the group according to the NEWS Gauge.

Only Rice and Dawson appear to have any chance of being elected to the Hall at some point from this group.If either is elected, it appears that one more player who does not have the numbers will be in the Hall of Fame.Of course, there may be some other justification in the minds of the voters (besides the numbers) for one or the other of these players to be honored.

None of the other position players who are new to the ballot this year has HOF numbers (besides Tim Raines above).Chuck Knoblauch with a NEWS score of 222 is the highest of the group.

In summary, only five of the twenty-five players on the 2008 BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot have true HOF numbers according to the NEWS HOF Gauge: Bert Blyleven, Goose Gossage, Lee Smith, Tim Raines and Mark McGwire.It remains to be seen what the voters will decide to do.

For more info on the NEWS HOF Gauge, please see BASEBALL’S BEST: The TRUE Hall of Famers on this site.

Comments

7 Responses to “2008 BBWAA Hall of Fame Ballot”
  1. Mike Lynch says:

    Mike,

    I’ve always felt that Dwight Evans has been greatly disrespected by the HOF voters, especially in light of the fact that Jim Rice has gotten close to election a few times, while Evans barely registers a blip on the radar. I’m not convinced that either Evans or Rice is a legitimate Hall of Famer, but I would think that Evans would get more votes than he has, considering he was one of the best defensive outfielders of his era and his OPS+ of 127 is only one point lower than Rice’s 128.

    Out of curiosity what is Evans’ NEWS score and where does he rank among position players?

  2. Mike Hoban says:

    The NEWS HOF Gauge considers a score of 280 to represent obvious HOF numbers for a position player. Neither Dwight Evans nor Jim Rice achieved this score. Check out these numbers.

    Dwight Evans 347 234 262Jim Rice 282 233 245

    The first number is the career win shares. Evans had considerably more than Rice. The second number is their core value (the win shares earned in their ten best seasons). Note how close these are – indicating that each player’s value to his team during their ten best seasons was quite similar. The third number is the NEWS score – suggesting that Evans had a better career than Rice. Dwight Evans is the #121 best position player of the cemtury.

    For comparison, look at Darrell Evans’ numbers. Note how much better his core value is (253) than Dwight (234) or Rice (233).

    Darrell Evans 363 253 281

    Darrell is one of the 84 position players with a NEWS score of 280 or better – obvious HOF numbers.

  3. Cary says:

    Where’s Dick Allen? Is he a pariah because of his personality? Wouldn’t Ty Cobb have failed on those grounds?

  4. Mike Hoban says:

    Cary,

    The answer seems to be Yes to both of your questions. That is, the only reason that I know of why Dick Allen is not in the Hall of Fame is because many sportswriters (and many fans) consider him to be “unworthy” for reasons that have nothing to do with his on-field performance. And, yes, Ty Cobb would almost certainly have failed on the same grounds.

    With a NEWS score of 314, Dick Allen is the #36 best position player of the 20th century. That score ties him with Eddie Murray, Cal Ripken, Jr and Robin Yount. Not bad, eh? He should have been in the Hall of Fame years ago!

  5. Bill Gros says:

    An amazing Bert Blyleven statistic that I wouldn’t wish upon any major league pitcher:From his 1970 rookie season through 1977 I’ve accumulated his quality starts that I’ve defined as: 6innings, 2earned runs or less; 7,8,9innings, 3earned runs or less; and 9innings+ 4 earned runs or less in which he garnered a no decision or a loss only……

    The totals are:
    82 games
    658 innings
    583 hits
    185 runs
    160 earned runs
    184 base on balls
    540 strikeouts
    2.19 ERA
    His record: 0 wins and 53 LOSSES. I repeat 0 wins and 53 losses with a 2.19 ERA

    1970 0-3 2.09 9 games
    1971 0-6 1.90 9 games
    1972 0-9 2.35 13 games
    1973 0-8 2.55 9 games
    1974 0-8 1.80 10 games
    1975 0-6 2.00 10 games
    1976 0-8 2.29 15 games
    1977 0-5 2.45 7 games

    I understand that pitchers put up great games and get snakebit on occasion, but this accounted for almost 1 of every 3 starts, 82 of 279 to be exact or 29%. Show me a Hall of Famer that had to go through this year by year. Fortunately once Blyleven ended up in Pittsburgh and later some good Minnesota teams, this trend eased to what I would consider normal levels (I had researched this in the past but don’t have the numbers on hand)

    Imagine 1974, your 17-9 in 27 games, and in the other 10, all of which are essentially quality starts, you post a 1.80ERA and go 0-8. You end up 17-17. If you don’t know the facts, and your voting for the Cy Young award, and you see 17-17. Do you cast a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place vote? Probably not. This is what Blyleven faced in yesteryear, and the same writers, who I contend do not know the facts, are what Blyleven faces every year in the HOF vote.

    Go ahead, plug in a different year, or harken back to Baseball-reference and neutralize the stats, do it for every one of Blyleven’s contemporaries. The numbers don’t change much, but for Bert Blyleven, they do. The example given above is my attempt to show why. Teams that didn’t score runs and booted the ball around like it was a soccer match.

  6. Mike Hoban says:

    Bill,

    Thnaks for the insight. You’re right – I would not wish those numbers on any pitcher.

    Just more proof as to how deserving Bert Blyleven is of the Hall of Fame. We can only hope that some more writers are getting the message and will vote for him.

  7. Mike Lynch says:

    Gossage gets in (he should have been in long ago) and Blyleven gets screwed again. What are these idiots looking at?

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