Hall of Fame Credentials: Jim Rice and Tim Raines

November 25, 2008 by · 2 Comments

In the 2008 BBWAA balloting for the Hall of Fame, Jim Rice received 72.2% of the vote. It seems that he may be poised to be elected this year – in his 15th year on the ballot. 2008 was Tim Raines first year on the ballot and he received 24.3% of the vote.

392 voters thought Jim Rice should be in the Hall while only 132 voters thought Tim Raines deserves to be in Cooperstown. Or at least that is how I would interpret this result. Does that mean that 260 voters (at least) thought that Rice had a better career than Raines? That is what this vote is supposed to be all about, right – who had the better career and who you believe really has Hall of Fame credentials?

For me, it is difficult to believe (but not impossible) that anyone who looks carefully at the numbers really believes that Jim Rice had a better career than Tim Raines. Let’s take a look at these two careers using Win Shares.

First, there seems to be no question regarding the longevity issue. Tim Raines played for 23 seasons and earned 390 career win shares. Every position player who has earned 400 career win shares (and has been eligible) is in the Hall of Fame. Jim Rice played for 16 seasons and earned 282 win shares. No contest!

I know some fans are now saying that longevity means nothing – it is the quality of the seasons that count. OK, so let’s look at that aspect. Keep in mind that a player’s win shares for a season reflect that player’s total contribution to his team for the season (offense and defense). That, of course, is what makes win shares such a valuable and powerful tool.

For his five best seasons, Jim Rice averaged 28.4 win shares per season. 25 win shares is considered an “All-Star” season – so Rice did well.

For his five best seasons, Tim Raines averaged 32.6 win shares per season. 30 win shares is considered to be an MVP-type season – so Raines did exceptionally well.

For his eight best seasons, Rice averaged 25.0 while Raines averaged 29.6. Raines still looks better.

For his ten best seasons, Rice averaged 23.3 while Raines averaged 27.5. Meaning that over his ten best seasons, Tim averaged All-Star numbers.

So, no matter how you slice up the career or judge the “peak,” Tim Raines has better career numbers.

Of course, there may be those who will use something like Bill James’ HOF Monitor to argue that Jim Rice has a batting score of 144.5 compared to 89.5 for Tim Raines. This is like using a hammer to drill a hole – wrong tool for the job. As baseball-reference.com states – “It (HOF Monitor) attempts to assess how likely ( not how deserving) an active player is to make the Hall of Fame.”

Here are the scores for the two players according to the CAWS Career Gauge. CWS is career win shares, CV is the sum of win shares for the ten best seasons and CAWS is the career score. CAWS = CV + .25(CWS – CV)

Player Years CWS CV CAWS
Tim Raines
1979-2002 390 275 304
Jim Rice
1974-1989 282 233 245

As you can see, there really is no comparison between the careers enjoyed by these two players.

1. Tim Raines had the #10 best career for a left fielder in the 20th century. Jim Rice did not make the top 25 left fielders.

2. Tim Raines had the #49 best career of all position players in the 20th century. Jim Rice is not in the top 100 (not even close).

There are eighteen left fielders who established obvious Hall of Fame numbers during the century. Every one of them has a CV greater than 250 and a CAWS score better than 280. Tim Raines is one of eighteen while Jim Rice is not.

Here are all the left fielders who have obvious HOF numbers.

Player Years CWS CV CAWS
1.
Barry Bonds 1986-
707 427 497
2.
Stan Musial
1941-1963 604
378
435
3.
Ted Williams 1939-1960 555 394 434
4.
Pete Rose 1963-1986 547 307 367
5.
Rickey Henderson 1979-2003 535 308 365
6.
Carl Yastrzemski 1961-1983 488 286 337
7.
Gary Sheffield 1988- 422 305
334
8.
Manny Ramirez
1993- 379 285 309
9.
Fred Clarke 1894-1915 400 273 305
10.
Tim Raines 1979-2002 390 275 304
11.
Billy Williams 1959-1976 374 279 303
12.
Al Simmons 1924-1944 375 276 301
13.
Sherry Magee 1904-1919 354 272 293
14.
Zack Wheat 1909-1927 380 264 293
15.
Joe Jackson 1908-1920 294 290 291
16.
Willie Stargell 1962-1982 370 263 290
17.
Goose Goslin 1921-1938 355 263 286
18.
Lou Brock 1961-1979 348 264 285

Finally, here are two other left fielders with better careers than Jim Rice. Neither has Hall of Fame numbers and neither is in the Hall. They are the #21 and 22 best left fielders of the century.

Player CWS CV CAWS
21.
Frank Howard 297 260 270
22.
Minnie Minoso 283 258 264

When the voting for the 2009 BBWAA election is announced, we will probably learn that Rickey Henderson is a first round pick for the Hall of Fame. I hope that happens because Rickey deserves the honor.

We may also learn that Jim Rice has been elected. If that happens, it will not be the end of the world. He will join the 44 other 20th century position players who are in the Hall of Fame and who do not have HOF numbers.

The big question for me will be: How many votes did Tim Raines get? How long will it take for 75% of the BBWAA voters to realize that Tim Raines was not just a good ballplayer – but a great one?

If anyone would like to receive an 80-page monograph on the CAWS Career Gauge update (free of charge, of course), I would be happy to send it as an e-file (about 50 pages of text and 30 pages of lists). mike_hoban@msn.com

For more information on the CAWS CareerGauge, see BASEBALL’S BEST: The TRUE Hall of Famers on this site.

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2 Responses to “Hall of Fame Credentials: Jim Rice and Tim Raines”
  1. Alex Tepperman says:

    Well, Jim Rice getting elected isn’t the end of the world, but it’s pretty silly.

    Come check out my own interpretation: http://sportingschmooze.blogspot.com/2009/01/joe-rogan-elected-to-mlb-hall-of-fame.html

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