John Smoltz and the Hall of Fame
August 27, 2009 by Michael Hoban · 2 Comments
As John Smoltz nears the end of his career, a number of people are raising the question as to whether he has the credentials for election to the Hall of Fame.
The CAWS Career Gauge is a tool that can be used to determine HOF credentials (CAWS stands for Career Assessment/Win Shares). It uses win shares and the concept of “core value†to determine HOF worthiness. And, as far as tools of this type go, it works reasonably well.
According to the CAWS Gauge, at the end of the 2008 season, there were only 39 pitchers in the modern era (since 1920) who had established obvious HOF numbers. And John Smoltz is not one of these – although he is reasonably close.
Here are some of these pitchers. All numbers include the 2008 season.
CWS = Career Win SharesCV = Core Value (sum of win shares for 10 best seasons)
CAWS = Career Assessment/Win Shares = CV + .25(CWS – CV)
1. There are 25 pitchers who achieved a CAWS score of 235. Here are a few of them.
Player | CWS | CV | CAWS |
---|---|---|---|
Roger Clemens
|
432 | 260 | 303 |
Tom Seaver
|
388 | 255 | 288 |
Greg Maddux
|
398 | 246 | 284 |
Bob Gibson
|
317 | 258 | 273 |
Randy Johnson
|
322 | 230 | 253 |
Bob Feller
|
292 | 239 | 252 |
Early Wynn
|
309 | 217 | 240 |
Juan Marichal
|
263 | 229 | 238 |
2. There are only four pitchers who did not achieve a score of 235 but did earn 300 win shares.
Player | CWS | CV | CAWS |
---|---|---|---|
Tom Glavine
|
314 | 203 | 231 |
Nolan Ryan
|
334 | 191 | 227 |
Don Sutton
|
319 | 187 | 220 |
Dennis Eckersley
|
301 | 183 | 213 |
At the moment, Bert Blyleven is the only modern pitcher with 300 win shares who has been eligible but has not been elected to the Hall.
Player | CWS | CV | CAWS |
---|---|---|---|
Bert Blyleven
|
339 | 218 | 248 |
3. There are only five pitchers who achieved a score of 180 with fewer than 2400 innings pitched. (For Pedro, this was through the 2004 season.)
Player | CWS | CV | CAWS |
---|---|---|---|
Pedro Martinez
|
224 | 200 | 206 |
Sandy Koufax
|
194 | 190 | 191 |
Hoyt Wilhelm
|
256 | 168 | 190 |
Goose Gossage
|
223 | 173 | 186 |
Dizzy Dean
|
181 | 180 | 180 |
4. There are only five pitchers who achieved a score of 150 with fewer than 1700 innings pitched. These, of course, are the “pure†relievers.
Player | CWS | CV | CAWS |
---|---|---|---|
Mariano Rivera
|
212 | 175 | 184 |
Bruce Sutter
|
168 | 163 | 164 |
Lee Smith
|
198 | 152 | 164 |
Dan Quisenberry
|
157 | 155 | 156 |
Rollie Fingers
|
188 | 144 | 155 |
All of the pitchers mentioned above have obvious HOF numbers. Now, where does John Smoltz fit into this picture?
Player | CWS | CV | CAWS |
---|---|---|---|
John Smoltz
|
288 | 185 | 211 |
Smoltz does not reach the benchmark of 235 for category #1. Nor does he qualify in terms of innings pitched for categories #3 or 4. With 288 career win shares, he comes close to the 300 win shares criterion but falls a bit short here also.
Here are eight other very good pitchers who fell somewhat short of obvious HOF numbers.
Player | CWS | CV | CAWS |
---|---|---|---|
Luis Tiant
|
256 | 198 | 213 |
Mike Mussina
|
270 | 186 | 207 |
Curt Schilling
|
252 | 191 | 206 |
Kevin Brown
|
241 | 193 | 205 |
Jim Kaat
|
268 | 181 | 203 |
Tommy John
|
289 | 165 | 196 |
Jack Morris
|
225 | 172 | 185 |
David Cone
|
205 | 173 | 181 |
An argument could be made that of the modern pitchers who do not have obvious HOF numbers but are definitely “borderline†– John Smoltz, Mike Mussina and Curt Schilling top the list.
In fact, all three of these pitchers have better numbers than Catfish Hunter who is already in the Hall of Fame.
Player | CWS | CV | CAWS |
---|---|---|---|
Catfish Hunter
|
206 | 184 | 190 |
Thank you for your time.
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Mike HobanProf Emeritus, City U of NY
Curt Schilling falls short of the Hal?? LOLChange your formulas!
Mike, Every time I read your analysis it seems more and more sound and the emphasis on “career” in all of this weights it all toward lifetime achievement. Which makes sense. Pitchers like Dizzy Dean and Sandy Koufax who were very, very good, but whose careers were shorter, seem to be the most impacted.
I think the commenter above is arguing for a qualitative analysis that supplements the numbers. Schilling has made wonderful post-season contributions which supplement his exceptional career numbers that may fall short, but usually influence the voters. The problem is developing a consistent approach.
Maybe adding a category for teh quantity and quality of post-season appearances would address those players who have captured the imagination of fans through great World Series work.