New Mexico HC Jason Eck joins Andy & Ari

New Mexico head coach Jason Eck joins Andy & Ari to reflect on winning nine games in his first season with the Lobos. How will New Mexico fare this year in a new-look Mountain West?

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We are joined now by the head coach of the New Mexico Lobos, Jason Eck.

This is a man who I started interacting with him on Twitter when he was the O-line coach at Ball State, and it has been an odyssey since then.

Winona State before Ball State, then Hampton, Western Illinois, Minnesota State, Montana State, South Dakota State, where he became a coordinator.

Became the head coach at Idaho in 2022.

First shot at an FBS job last year at New Mexico and tore it up.

Jason, I, I heard you on another show say you were a, a 25-year overnight success.

How does that feel?

It's been good.

It's been a, it's been a journey.

And, I think that's, a lot of what we talk about with our, our players with, with grit is, you know, all your experiences that you go through even when they're not always positive.

And, you know, maybe you gotta move your family 'cause a, a head, new head coach comes in and you don't get retained.

That wasn't always great to go through at the time, but I think it's made me better and, prepared me when I did get my opportunity to be a head coach to take advantage of that.

You know, I, I look at, your past with, you know, going from a walk-on to a starter for the Wisconsin team that won the Rose Bowl.

When you think about the path that that would probably how hard that path was and, and what that could do to shape a man, how does that shape you as a coach in the way that you go about, you know, forming your teams and their, and their personalities?

Well, area, I, I learned a lot in that experience at Wisconsin.

Now I, I, I wasn't a great player.

I never, I never became a starter there.

I was kind of a career backup.

But, a lot of the things I learned from Coach Alvarez, you know, are s- are still things that I, I use today.

And, I think he had a great way of building confidence, in his football team and building belief.

And, you know, even though we were, you know, maybe not as talented as a Ohio State or a, a Penn State or something, we were still very confident we were gonna go in and, you know, beat those teams and play well.

And that's something that I, I think I've taken from him and try to instill on our own teams here, a lot of confidence.

And I think it's helped us, you know, play well when we've had our money games.

And, you know, last year I think the highlight of that was beating, UCLA in the Rose Bowl.

Well, and, and that's, the, the money games are interesting because that, that, that is where it's different now.

Because I, I've heard you talk about, like, when you were in Idaho and you guys played Oregon tooth and nail that, that last year you were at Idaho.

And, and you've said, like, y- you knew a guy who blew up at that game was gonna be a transfer target for everybody in the And, and it's, I'm sure it's the same thing.

Y'all played at Michigan last year to open the season and then destroyed UCLA.

Is it, i- is it sort of bittersweet n- knowing now that, that when you guys have a game like that, all of a sudden your whole team's on everybody's radar?

I, I've gotten better with it over the years, Andy.

I think my, you know, our, our '23 team at Idaho was probably the first time I had gone through that.

We had a good team in '23 at Idaho and, we lost a lot of really good players, right after the season.

And I, I, I think we've just had to embrace the new changes in college football.

And, you know, last year we had a great tight end, against Michigan.

He had 10 catches and two touchdowns.

You know, he's at Cal now.

You know, when guys- Yeah have those performances.

You know, we played Oregon tough.

You know, we had a corner who stayed on top of everything, didn't give up any big plays.

He starts at Nebraska now.

We had a D tackle who made some big plays in the game.

He starts at Wake Forest.

And those, you know, those guys were guys we recruited to FCS.

And I, I just think when any industry changes, you gotta embrace the change and take advantage of it.

And again, I think we, we use that as a selling point for our program.

That, you know, we took a lot of players that, you know, were not very heavily recruited coming out of high school.

And, created value for them, and their families, through being a part of our program.

So, I think as, as things adapt, you just gotta adapt with them.

Coach, obviously, you know, we, we know how much the sport has changed and adapt.

I think traditionally people would've viewed New Mexico as a pretty difficult job in terms of recruiting footprint, and, you know, status nationally and, and obviously that's starting to change.

But, what's your viewpoint of how challenging it is there having a very extensive, you know, resume at different places?

And, are the new rules and the new setup as, as much as it is difficult to lose players, making it easier to win at places like New Mexico in your mind?

Yeah, you know, I'll say this.

I think, I think it's a lot easier now to, to turn around a, a program fast.

And we, we were able to do that, you know, in Idaho and go from, I think four wins the year, before we got there to seven wins and then we went, to nine wins last year here after they won five the year before.

Just the amount of new players you could bring in.

You know, for a long time there was that cap and you could only add, you know, 25 scholarship players in one class.

You know, now, our team last year had 75 new players on it.

So I, I think that just makes it easier, to flip things.

We, we've kind of embraced, you know, guys coming up.

You know, we've had a lot of guys who, you know, I think, four of our five guys who were first or second team All Conference last year were guys who were FCS players who transferred up.

And, you know, I think the nice thing about that is you're getting proven players with experience and, you know, everything's relative.

You know, o- obviously at New Mexico, you know, we don't have the same kind of stuff as you do at Texas, at USC, but you know what?

It's a lot better than what you have at Idaho or Weber State or the, you know, the Big Sky schools.

So I think, I think everything's relative.

And I, and I think really that, it's probably helped me here too, just coming here to New Mexico is I, I see the glass more half full than half empty.

You know, where they've had some other coaches here in the past, you know, Bob Davie, Mike Locksley, who've been around big programs and, and things like that and they probably have a different viewpoint, so.

How did you manage to keep both your quarterbacks from last year?

Yeah.

Jack, Jack Lane started.

He, he's co- he's back and then, and then James Lovsin, who was your, your backup is back too.

And I mean, mo- most of the, like, Power conference schools can't do that.

How'd you do it?

Well, you know, the, the, there was probably some good luck and some bad luck in there.

You know, you know, Jack has been, very loyal to us.

You know, he, Jack started with us at Idaho and he was a walk-on at Idaho So he, he's a great story to go from a FCS walk-on to, you know, a quarterback who won nine games as a starter at the, FBS level.

And, you know, Jack had a off-season surgery, and I think that, you know, obviously doesn't make you quite as marketable to go into the, portal when you're, you're having surgery on your elbow, and he's still battling with that.

And then, and then James, we thought he was done.

You know, James was not with us all spring.

He went through Pro Day, and then I got a call in May.

You know, he had, appealed, you know, to the NCA for some extra years.

You know, this is kind of the last year you can do that, 'cause he had, you know, some junior college years.

He had some years at a Division II school before he got to New Mexico, and he, he won his waiver.

And so I was, I got a call in May.

I was going for a walk.

I was, I was down in Texas, actually.

I got a call from our compliance officer and for got right off the phone with her and called James and said, "Hey, you wanna play another year of football?"

And we were able to get him back.

So, you know, there's some good and bad luck in there, but I, I think that, is a good deal.

And then, you know, we got a, a pretty good transfer who came in as well, who's competing, for the job.

Luke Moga came over from Oregon and, you know, we took, you know, took him not knowing James was back and took him, you know, knowing that, that Jack Lane was coming off of his, elbow injury.

So I, I think now our, our quarterback room has become a kind of an area of strength.

We got a, a really nice second-year player that we really like that we recruited as well, who's done a good job.

So I think we got a heck of a quarterback room right now.

No, I, I just wanna come out and ask this, Coach.

You are somebody who everybody views as, like, the next great one.

I don't know if you've noticed how much your name has been circulated amongst, you know, media and, and people.

Like, what, what's it like?

Like, I know that your specialty is the glow-up of the program.

You've done it in multiple places, but what about your personal glow-up?

What, what has it been like to be you the last, you know, year or so?

Well, I, I think New Mexico, people in New Mexico are pretty excited about us turning around.

And, you know, I think some people when, when I, talk to people about this job, you know, some people said, "Ah, be careful about that job.

I don't know if it's good.

They, they haven't won much.

You know, it's a basketball school."

But, you know, I kind of bank on just America is a football country.

You know, the NFL- is the number one sport.

I think college football is number two.

And, you know, I think a lot of those schools that have been basketball schools, you look at Indiana, you know, it's maybe- Mm-hmm been like kind of a band-aid because you've been, not been good at football.

And then as soon as you get good at football at Indiana, they, they turn out, and it's the most expensive, you know, national championship ticket in 10 years and things.

So, I, I just kind of felt like they had, you know, maybe been choosing good basketball over bad football, and if we could give them good football, they would come out.

And, I, I think the support we had is really good.

We had our first sellout last year here since 2007 for the New Mexico State game.

We had another game over 30,000 when we played San Diego State.

You know, our average in, attendance has, has really gone up.

So, I think we were number one in Fs- in FBS last year in percentage increase of attendance.

So, you know, definitely as I'm going around town, I'm getting recognized a lot, a lot more here.

And, you know, I, I think it's a, you know, a positive to, to have that good talk.

And, you know, I think that's something that our team's gonna have to deal with this year, and that's, I think the, the challenge, especially at our level, is, you know, when you're doing well, and I expect us to do well this year, there's gonna be distractions.

There's g- our players are gonna be playing well.

They're gonna have agents, you know, reaching out to them, about, other things and transferring.

I'm sure my name's gonna get linked to stuff, but, you know, we just gotta stay in the moment to keep creating value for ourselves going forward.

'Cause if you start worrying about that other stuff, it, it keeps you off, you know, off track.

But, you know, I think it's been a journey.

You know, I, I got a great wife who's been with me now.

We've been married, you know, 24 years and, we definitely have had some ups and downs, but it's been, it's been fun to have the success and, you know, kind of a family deal here.

Our, our son's playing for us.

Our, our other son works with us in the equipment, room.

So, it's, it's been a really heck of a deal for our family here this first year and a half in New Mexico.

Do, does your journey help you deal with that?

I mean, you were grinding it out for a long time as a position coach in the FCS.

And, you know, w- w- one, when did you decide, "I do wanna be a head coach"?

And were there moments where you thought, "Maybe this isn't gonna happen for me"?

Yeah, to be honest, Andy, you know, for most of my career, I, I, I wouldn't have said being a head coach was my overall goal.

You know, I think, you know, I like coaching the offensive line a lot.

That was a passion of mine.

You know, I probably would've said more my goal was, A, could I coach in the NFL someday as the O-line coach?

And, you know, obviously there's some, pros and cons of each.

I mean, I think, I think a lot of those NFL O-line coaches, you know, you're in a big city, you can go to dinner and, you know, nobody knows who you are.

No one's coming up to your table like you are w- when you're a college head coach or something.

But, it, it really was, when I was at South Dakota State as the offensive coordinator, we had a, a year where FCS football played in the spring, you know, because of COVID.

And that fall, South Dakota was a pretty good place to live during COVID.

There wasn't a lot of restrictions, so the high school season went on as normal.

So my son, Jaxton, that was his sophomore year in high school, and, Brookings High School there, Brookings, South Dakota, played in South Dakota State Stadium.

So I'd be, you know, watching games on Friday nights in the fall where we weren't playing the next day.

We weren't playing till the spring.

And, you know, I was sitting there with my wife, and she'd look at me once a game and say, "It's so weird to be sitting here in the stadium next to you watching a game.

Usually you're on the sideline."

And, you know, that kind of grew to I, I knew at that point my son was gonna be a college player, but we didn't kind of know what level.

You know, she thought it would be so hard to, you know, have him playing somewhere on a Saturday and me coaching somewhere else, and she's worried about two teams and torn with where to be.

So really that, that got me thinking about being a head coach.

I knew, my son's a linebacker, so as the offensive coordinator, I wasn't gonna have a lot of say, in recruiting.

Jimmy Rogers, was our, was our linebacker coach, who's now at Iowa State.

And so that, that really got me thinking about being a head coach and kind of changed my perspective.

So I'm, I'm very thankful for my son, you know, one, for being a really good player and making, you know, that, that part of it easy coaching your son.

But, you know, again, if I didn't have a son who played college football, I might, I might still be coaching the O-line somewhere.

Well, I'm, I'm curious about this as someone who, who came up as an O-line coach.

I feel like that's not what most ADs think they're looking for.

But guys like you, guys like Mario Cristobal, guys like Andy Reid, like I, I, I feel like now people are showing, hey, that, that is a legit path to a head coaching job.

The thing that I, the thing I think, that prepares you, Andy, and, you know, as a former O-lineman, I know you, you probably know this.

I mean, the O- the O-line is a big position group, you know?

Mm-hmm.

So you're dealing with, you know, 20 guys anyway, so you're dealing with different personalities.

You know, it, it definitely is a developmental position.

I think offensive line is the most developmental of all the positions in football.

And, you know, I, I do think too, it's, it's a position that, you know, the O-line coach has a lot of motivational thing in there.

You know, it's, you don't have a lot of, you know, stats that easily define of- offensive line.

You know, you're I think sometimes you're dealing with building up the confidence of that group because, you know, just the average D-lineman's more athletic than the average O-lineman- that you gotta try to block every way.

So I think the, you know, building belief in those guys, building confidence in those guys, getting them to play connected, you know, five as one in the O-line, I think can really carry over well when you go, you know, to the whole team.

And, and, and I'll say this, you know, just my time at coordinator, I spent four years as an offensive coordinator, and that, that helped me as well, 'cause obviously now you're dealing with, you know, the skill guys and, you know, who's getting the ball and who's, who's upset they're not getting the ball.

All that stuff you don't really deal with as much with the O-line.

So I think that was still val- valuable experience, you know, getting ready for that.

But, I, I, I do think it prepares you well.

I think, you know, probably the biggest thing into it is it's tough sometimes to go from an O-line coach to coordinator, and so many head coaches, you know, come from coordinator positions.

Coach, do you think it's weird that the pancake block isn't a, or a, of the pancake block isn't an official stat?

I think it probably should be.

You know, I, I know at one time the sacks weren't an official stat, then they added those only, like, in the last, you know, 30, 40 years and stuff.

There's no sack records from, like, 1950 or something.

So it probably should be there, Ari.

That's We, we've heard there's a, a, a company that's gonna be trying to, to push that this season.

And listen, we're all on board.

No free ads or anything, but, we're, we're all on board with that 'cause I, I firmly believe the 'Cause we have all those stats that say, you know, if a team rushes for, or, you know, 100 yards in a game, they're this, they have this record.

Or, if, if they have this many runs versus this many throws, they have this record.

I firmly believe the team with more pancake blocks wins 100% of the time.

Has to be the- 100% 100%, undefeated, right?

Like, there's no way.

I, I, you know what?

I, I probably should put it in those terms, Andy and Ari, but I, I do tell my team that the team who's most physical usually wins, and probably the team who's most physical has more, more pancake blocks.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Coach- So- Oh, go ahead, Andy.

Oh, I, I gotta ask you.

One of the, one of the most fun things that I saw from you guys in year one was, was Coach X Tots.

If you're a fan of The Office, you've seen Scott's Tots.

How, how did, how did those turn out?

Pretty well.

Like you said, our attendance was way up and, uh- we, we got a lot of, you know, basically kids 12 and under got in free, and that really helped out with, our attendance.

And, you know, Fernando, our, our former AD, I think he was very creative, and, I'm very appreciative to him 'cause he did a great job promoting the program.

And, you know, again, I'm, I'm open to whatever it takes to try to, you know- get butts in seats 'cause I see the advantage of it.

You know, when we beat San Diego State last year, you know, if we hadn't had a great crowd and had 30,000 people in here, we wouldn't have created three false starts in the second overtime, when we beat 'em in double overtime.

So the, that stuff makes a difference.

So I'm, you know, I may, I may try to set up an acting career, you know, when I, when I'm done with, coaching.

Who knows?

I, I think your acting in, in that skit- may have helped Fernando get the Colorado AD job.

Yeah.

So, like, he, he definitely owes you a cut.

Yeah, he, he, he tells me thank you once in a while.

He, he definitely will send me a text and he's appreciative.

Coach, what's it like to have Oklahoma on the schedule?

We, we mentioned earlier on that you, you know, have showed up in some pretty big games there but, you know, does it, does having a, a game at Oklahoma change anything during fall camp, during the off season, the way that people approach things?

Well, a couple things.

You know, I, I feel we had a great schedule this year.

I mean, this'll be my, you know, my fifth year as a head coach, and this is the first year that we've only had one money game.

You know, my three years at Idaho we played two FBS schools, every year.

You know, we were able to, you know, play Oregon tough, but we, you know, we beat Nevada and beat Wyoming when I was there.

And then last year, you know, we played UCLA and Michigan.

So a couple things.

I, I do like playing I, I like getting some games under our belt.

You know, the last couple years we played Michigan and, and Oregon the first game of the year.

And, you know, I, I do think the first game of the year people are always excited to play no matter who you're playing, so I, I, I do kinda like getting a few games under our belt before we play Oklahoma.

I'm relieved that, we only have one game, like that.

But I think it's very exciting for our, for our team, you know, to play a team that was in the CFP last year.

And, you know, I think when you only have one game like that, you certainly can get up for it and, and give 'em their best shot.

But, they're a very good team.

Coach Venables is a heck of a coach.

They got a great quarterback.

It's gonna be a heck of a battle.

So new Mountain West, because some teams left and, and went to the new Pac-12.

It's a different lineup this year.

Is it weird for you as someone who coached at, at South Dakota State for six years to see the Bison on the schedule?

I, I said that right when I found out.

I said I thought I was done playing in that dome.

You know- 'cause that dome's a tough place to play up there.

And I got a, I got a one-year respite 'cause they come down here to play, at the end of October, so I'm excited about that.

But, you know, I think that was a really good addition, you know, for our conference.

I know when they added, you know, UTEP and Northern Illinois, I think those were kinda like just stabilizing the conference and, uh- You know, making sure the conference didn't go away.

But I, I felt like adding North Dakota State, now we're kind of like back on the attack, and building a great, conference and, and that's a great brand.

And, you know, it, it was interesting.

You know, I, I took the job knowing those teams were already leaving and, you know, I thought that was a plus for New Mexico.

You know, Boise State was picked to win this league 20 straight years, which is kind of amazing.

You know, there's not probably any other league you can say that won was picked to win 20 straight years.

So, I thought coming here, at a time, you know, when they were leaving and, and really when you just look at the last, you know, 50 years of New Mexico football, you know, there was a lot of losses during that time to teams who are, you know, now in bigger conferences.

You know, T- O- T-C-U in the Mountain West and Utah in the Mountain West and B-Y-U in the Mountain West.

So I, I think, seeing all that made me, you know, kind of have a reason that, "Hey, when this conference changes, we can be more of a, a have in this conference," where usually New Mexico's been a have-not.

I think we got, you know, probably even exceeded my expectations last year getting the nine wins, in the regular season, you know, with those teams still in the league.

But, you know, I, I expect us to be right near the top of this league, you know, every year going forward.

And, and does that You, you say you expect it.

Does, does it put more pressure on you?

Because, obviously you guys and U-N-L-V are the ones everybody's talking about as the ones that should be at the top of this league.

Well, you know, I, I think, you know, obviously I've, I've taken over two jobs that did not have high expectations and typically didn't, but, I think that's what you want as a coach.

I mean, you wanna be at a place where you have high expectations every year.

And, you know, Texas and Ohio State never go into a year where they have low expectations.

It's, you know, it's every year you have that.

So, I, I'm excited by it and I think it's a, You know, the message I've had to my team is, you know, a lot of that stuff, expectations and, predictions, are based on what last year's team did.

And, e- even though we have a lot of guys coming back and amongst the most, I think, in the Group of Six coming back, we, we still have to define this year's team.

You know, 'cause last year's team was tough and, and gritty and, and was able to accomplish a lot.

We still have to earn everything we do this year.

We don't, you know, we don't start our first game with a 7-0 lead because we ha- have high expectations.

We gotta earn everything we get.

But, you know, it's exciting and, you know, it's exciting to have people around Albuquerque talking about football season.

Usually they look at, look forward to basketball season around here.

And, a lot of people have been talking about football all off-season, so that's exciting.

Coach, what's it like to coach in one of the most aesthetically pleasing conferences, in terms of geography?

And what is E- every single road game you're going to a vacation spot, and I know that you've coached, on the west, western part of the country for a large portion of your career.

But, also what's the, the road trip, like Hawaii, like logistically for you guys?

Yeah.

You know what?

I h- I, I, I've fallen in love with the West.

You know, we, we, I was a Midwesterner.

My wife's a Midwesterner.

We're both originally from Wisconsin.

And, you know, right when, we first met- Played high school ball in Atlanta, though.

Played high school ball in Atlanta.

Ma- we were, we spent four years down there.

But again, not, not too many mountains around Atlanta either, either.

No.

So it was, you know, my first, I g- A'd for Wisconsin for three years for Coach Alvarez, then I went to Colorado for two years, when Gary Barnett was the head coach, and they were in the Big 12 the first time before they came back.

And, you know, just kind of fell in love with the West and that, you know, that led us, you know, to go to Idaho and then later to Montana State.

And, you know, it's beautiful out here wi- with the mountains.

You know, the, the, the travel does, you know, bring up some, you know, difficult things here 'cause you've gotta deal with, you know, Hawaii and the distractions going out there.

You gotta leave a day early for that game.

I think almost everyone does.

You know, we'll go out Thursday morning rather than Friday morning for a typical game.

You know, when you play at Wyoming, you're at, over, you know, 7,000 feet, high elevation, you know, and that, that game's a night game on, on a Friday night in late November.

I mean, you could have a blizzard, uh- Yeah for that game.

You know, going to U-N-L-V you gotta keep the team focused and avoid the distractions there with all the, the glitz and the glamour.

You know, same thing, you know, you know, Reno we stay at a casino, so you gotta make sure the guys are focused- they're not trying to sneak into the casino.

Give any walk-on spots, Coach?

Yeah.

It's pretty, it's a pretty good trip, man.

It's a pretty good trip.

And then, you know, Oklahoma you get to go play in a, you know, a football mecca where they're gonna have 90,000 people, so, um- It's like every week there's something with you.

There's no just like random trip to just nothing, you know?

No.

There's always something.

No, it's a heck of a trip.

And, it's, it's almost every year.

You know, we, we said that last year.

You know, last year, you know, we play in the Big House, we play in the Rose Bowl, we play the- Boise on the iconic blue turf, you know.

Guys like to play at U-N-L-V 'cause you're playing in the NFL stadiums.

They think about, you know, all the NFL guys who played there.

So, no, it's been the You know, it's There's a lot of space out here in the West and, you know, it doesn't make travel easy.

You know, la- last year every game we had was a, a flight.

This year, at least we can bus down to Las Cruces when we play New Mexico State.

But, it's beautiful out here and, and definitely some great settings for football.

And, I think it'll provide a lot of your East Coast, pe- people watching your podcast and stuff with some good entertaining football late, late, Friday and Saturday nights after they're, settled into their couch.

Yeah, they may wanna chase a little bit on, on that.

Yes.

Okay.

We get first time guests, so we have a question we ask every first time guest, but now we've actually got a second question we've gotta ask every head coach and we haven't established the answer.

Mm-hmm.

So first question: What are your rules for life?

My rules for life.

I, I, I do think there's a, We talk a lot about within our team championship behavior that, that really, you know, different areas of your life affect others.

So if, you know, if you're underachieving in certain areas of your life, it's gonna carry over, to other areas.

So I think you need to be consistent in everything you're doing, whether it's your, you know, profession, your personal life, 'cause there definitely is carryover, between the two.

And, you know, again, I thought, you know, la- last year our team, when we had, you know, the best, you know, regular season here in, you know, 30 years, last time they'd won nine games was 1997, you know, we set the, school record for GPA in the first semester.

So that was a great example of, you know, excellence in one area of our life carrying over to another.

All right.

The other one, and we got a great answer from Ryan Day the other day so this is why we're gonna ask every, every head coach this from now on.

Car guy, truck guy, or SUV guy?

I'm an SUV guy.

You know, I got five kids.

I got a big family.

Oh, yeah.

So you gotta have a, yeah, you gotta have a lot of seats, you know, to get everybody in there.

Now, you know, my, my oldest two are in college now.

They don't live at home anymore.

They're 23 and 21, so there's not You know, it's not like every day we're getting all seven of us in the car at the same time.

But, we gotta be able to.

So, SUV.

When I, when I got here, they wanted to give me a, a, like a smaller pickup truck and I had, I had to schmooze our car dealer here- Rich Ford here, to get me a nice, you know, Expedition so I got seven seats to, to get everybody in the car.

Well, Expedition's kind of like a truck, right, Andy?

Well, it's, it's, it's built on a truck frame, truck engine.

Yeah.

Nothing wrong with that.

It's F-150 platform.

N- n- no, no shame in that game.

Now, Ryan Day makes pretty good money.

His answer might have been a Lamborghini or something like that, right?

With, you know.

He's on a little different tax bracket than I am.

His, his kid talked him into an AMG.

He says he doesn't, he doesn't hit the gas very hard 'cause he doesn't want his players to, to have a bad example.

But no, Joey McGuire, we posted a picture of his Corvette the other day and, he DMs me.

He's like, "Trust me, I have a truck as my daily driver.

I don't want people in Texas thinking I'm a, a- I'm soft, yeah a car guy."

Yeah.

So He's a car guy, though.

He's gotten a few gifts over the years for, for cars.

He's got a His, his wife's a sweet lady.

I know she, Think this might be the second car she's gifted him over the years.

Nothing wrong with that.

Hey.

Nothing.

Listen, we, we, we all hope to be in that position where our wives are just handing us cars.

That's- That's right.

That, that means we made it.

Amen.

Jay Sak, thank you so much.

Appreciate you guys having me on.

Thanks, Andy.

Thanks, Ari.

Both- Yeah.

Thanks, Coach.

Appreciate you being here.

That was awesome.

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